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Decision by Vale council draws fire
Restructure plan for ambulance service not popular with some



Vale — The recent restructuring of the Vale Fire and Ambulance Department was a point of contention between current and former members of the department at the Vale City Council’s meeting Tuesday.

At the Aug. 26 meeting, the council named Todd Hesse as head of both the fire and ambulance divisions. Shortly thereafter, members began submitting leaves of absence to the city.

At the Tuesday meeting, one member currently on a leave of absence from the organization said he believed a volunteer committee should have been put in charge of the ambulance department, since it would be a “committee of peers.”

However, City Councilman Brad Williams countered that a paid city employee serves as a good point of contact between the council and the departments.

“We’ve got a paid city employee in charge of the organization,” he said. “And that’s the way it should be.”

Gary Smith, of the Brogan Quick Response Unit, said he believed the decision did not fit with the way the department should be run, which normally consists of conversation rather than orders.

“You can not come in here with an autocratic ‘boom let’s do it!’” he said, slamming his palm on the table.

Smith said he believed neither he nor the council were qualified enough to make such an administration decision and that it should be left to an outside source to decide.

“I believe you need professional help,” he said.

Mike Buckner also spoke out against Hesse’s leadership ability and questioned his honesty, leading Williams to request the hearing be closed.

Councilman Michael Bannon, who was filling in for Mayor Bill Lawrence at the meeting, said he did not want to close the hearing because it was public.

The public hearing also included further complaints from some members who believed Karlene Keller, a supervisor currently on a leave of absence from the department, was ignored at the last meeting.

“That was not my intention,” Councilman Brian Zanotelli said. “I would never intentionally do that.” Zanotelli also said he believed other councilmembers did not intent to disrespect Keller either. Smith said he believed the council should be ashamed of itself,” for the slight.

However, Zanotelli countered he believed it did no good to “demonize” either side.

Shawn Nebeker, who has not taken a leave of absence from the department, said interactions between department members have gotten tense since the walkout.

“I get the bird flipped off at me,” he said of some of the members on leave.

EMT Robert Bair, who did not attend the meeting, said his decision to stay was because of public service.

“The people that left, whether I agree with them or not, left to support Karlene,” he said Tuesday in a phone interview. “I can support Karlene, or I cannot support Karlene. But I cannot abandon the public. You can support somebody or not support somebody and still do your job.”

This abandonment, he said, may cause hard feelings, if the members who took a leave of absence decide to return to the department.

“I would like to ask every one of them ‘do you feel you abandoned the public?’” he said. “I wouldn’t feel good if I left my partner standing there holding the bag.”

As for personnel issues, Bair said some more “inexperienced” members of the department “stepped up to the plate” and wondered what would happen to those members if those on a leave of absence were to return. Keller addressed the issue at the meeting, stating most of the members still have their pagers to respond when more people are needed. However, she expressed concerns that the locks on the building, situated at 252 B St., W, had been changed, giving her the impression they were no longer welcome there.

Barton said the change was because a radio was missing, though he did not accuse any of the members of taking it.

Bair also said allowing the locks to stay the same represented a safety issue because of the medication contained in the establishment.

The council did not vote on the administration issue after the hearing and also did not vote on a potential $2-an-hour on-call pay for ambulance workers, after the motion died because of a lack of a second.

In other council news:

—The council delayed voting on renting space inside city hall to serve regional circuit court tech supervisor Vickie Kugler’s new office. City Manager Brent Barton was tasked to look into competitive rates for the deal for the next meeting, slated to occur at 7 p.m. Sept. 23.




Comment Blog - Note: All Comments Subject To Approval

OMG wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:18 AM:

" CAN ANYONE IN VALE SPELL? "

Issue solved wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:14 PM:

" Long story short, you don't solve issues by thowing money at them. You change them from the top down and being responsible to those you serve. The whole goal is to keep good qaulity volunteers in the ranks. Sounds like the city council found its problem delt with it. It was not the stand by money, lord knows the volunteers don't get paid enough anyways. If small communities could pay more they would. "

Mr. Wynn wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:43 AM:

" I'm gonna hold on til we turn this thing around, I want to see what the end's gonna be. "

CONCERNED wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:54 PM:

" I have resided in Vale for about 5 years now and I have worked in Vale for 2 and from what I have seen and learned are there are some wonderful people who are willing to take time away from their life to serve and give the public great service and a few that are willing not too, so I feel if two dollars an hour is all they ask for then give it to them , if that means good service , that means more to me than having someone with no experience with my life in their hands or my childrens hands ! Two dollars , well if i need an ambulance I definitly will be calling Ontario ! Hopefully I will never need the fire Dept. I have seen them first hand and yes that is a joke itself! "

Wendy Herkins wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:20 PM:

" As a former member of Vale Ambulance, I am saddened by this turn of events. The members of Vale Fire and Ambulance are the finest people I have ever had the pleasure to work with. I value those relationships like no other. Vale as a community will suffer because of this situation.

Anyone that has volentered knows that this is a full time commitment. We do it because we care. Lets now lose site of that.

I sincerely hope that some sort of compromise can be reached that will be agreeable to all. "

Citizen Of Vale wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Your Artical on the Vale Ambulance Missed the HOLE point of what the members where trying to prove all we wanted was for them to consider our two dollars on call pay and for them to follow the proper channels of how we do business, but insted williams feels he is god and can do what ever he feels is right "

Wayne Chastain wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:56 PM:

" I feel for both sides in this conflict. It is unfortunate to hear that this is occuring. Being a former member of both the Vale Ambulance and Vale Fire Departments, I can say that I see both sides of this issue. As far as the comments about Hesse, I don't know; I left the department before he came in. I hear some of my good friends and former collegues are among those that left; there has to be a good reason why. This battle was fought 10 years ago when I was a member there, and it died then; what has changed so drastically that we need to put the ambulance under the fire department's rule? Bottom line is: We volunteer to serve the public when they call... "


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