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Focusing on ‘next time’
Ontario school bond supporters seek another try with area voters



Ontario School Bond Promotion Committee member Ben Peterson writes down the latest results of the Ontario School Bond during election night, Nov. 4. Supporters of the school bond, which failed, want to bring the issue before voters again as soon as possible.
ONTARIO ” The dust has barely settled from the aftermath of the failed Ontario School District $18.5 million facilities bond Nov. 4, but already the Ontario School Board and Ontario School Bond Promotion Committee are talking about next time.

Bond promotion committee members Ben Peterson and Norm Poole, who were also on the school facilities task force that developed the long-range facilities plan from which the bond plan originated, talked with school district board members at their work session Thursday about the measure’s outcome and plans for the future.

Rather than hang up their hats following the bond’s failure, Peterson told the board the promotion committee met Wednesday and agreed it should gear up for another effort.

He said, based on the narrow margin of defeat ” 2,568 no to 2,494 yes, a difference of 74 votes, according to Malheur County final election results ” the promotion committee recommended the School Board go out for another bond as soon as possible. He said, after pondering whether March or May would be better, the committee reached the consensus May would be more ideal.

“We’re kind of worried the economy needs to stabilize,” Peterson said. “We felt (economic instability) was a big reason why it didn’t pass.”

Poole suggested May would be the best time because it would not be too far in the distance momentum would be lost.

“My feeling is if we keep moving forward, you won’t lose the momentum that was generated in this last year,” Poole said.

In addition, because of the passage of a statewide ballot measure this past election, the bond measure would not require a supermajority to pass.

Ontario School District Superintendent Dennis Carter told board members they should wait until early next year before approving another bond measure.

He suggested the delay because, once they vote to put forth a bond measure, they are limited in how they can participate based on regulations against spending taxpayer money on things that could be construed as promoting a bond.

Meanwhile, meeting participants agreed the School Board should actively participate in the next steps to another bond. Board leaders deliberately did not participate in the development of the long-range facilities plan and, later, the bond effort as a school board Poole and Peterson recommended they do so this time.

Poole said he thought it was important they learn why people voted no and suggested the board members could address issues that did not directly pertain to the facilities plan, such as discipline issues and standardized test results ” two areas of concern shared with committee members.

“There’s 2,500 people out there somewhere who voted no, and we need to hear back from them,” Poole said.

The School Board members agreed they needed to reach out to the opposition through different means, and, during their regular board meeting Thursday night, they agreed to spend the funds to survey residents in the precincts the bond did not pass in ” the rural areas near Cairo and Pioneer elementary schools.

Those precincts, where historically bonds have failed, are agricultural-based, and the property owners ” farmers and ranchers who may not have children in school ” stand to pay more in taxes.

“We’re not going to solve it for everybody,” Ontario School Board member John Phillips said, adding, the amount of votes needed to be gained, however, is not insurmountable and, by satisfactorily addressing some of the naysayers’ concerns, they might be able to pick up the needed extra votes.

He also said, the School Board could not let the task force and promotional committee’s hard work fall flat after those members “went to the wall” in their effort.

“We have to do just everything we can to make it work,” Phillips said.

While the School Board did not formally come out and say it supported another spring bond measure, the general consensus was favorable toward such an outcome.

“I think there’s a good possibility that we’ll do it, yes,” board member David Cox said after the meeting, adding there are some contingencies to that eventuality, including the economy and survey results.

“If things go to heck in a hand basket from the way things are, we may rethink it,” he said.




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wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:35 PM:

" exiled....A little humor is good for the soul, hence the LOLOLOLOL....It's an OLD, very OLD computer users way of laughing on line....... "

Exiled wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Did somebody actually write "LOLOLOLOL"? Perhaps we could tie this blog into the Payette High cellphone ban. "

To Wrote wrote on Dec 4, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Did you read all of HRL's last post?
The money is not being used to build brand new schools. The people who developed this plan knew we didn't need new schools and that the community couldn't afford them. They did, however, see the need for safety upgrades, space for updated science classrooms, essential repairs (like replacement of the inefficient, single pane windows at the High School), etc... Where is the hidden agenda?

Why don't you just admit you don't want to pay for improvements to the schools and quit making lame and uninformed excuses. "

wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:05 PM:

" HRL...Like I said, keep fighting the good fight, sooner or later people will grow weary of the constant bombardment of the school bond issue and it will pass........When it does, ALL your prayers will be answered I'm sure. People will flock back accross the river to live in Ontario, there will be an abundance of living wage jobs, businesses will beat a path to Ontario to open shop, the mall will once again flurish, all the empty forlorn buidlings on SW 4th will magically be full. Oh yeah, there will be a chicken in every pot and all will be right with the world as well...LOLOLOLOL...

"If you get what you wish for, the town will be populated with uneducated criminal thugs which are becoming more and more the norm at this time. We can reverse the trend. but not without investment. The other option, in my opinion, is to invest that same money into security measures to protect yourself from the criminal element that is heading toward majority status."......The issue of crime, gang bangers in particular should have been addressed years ago when it first raised it's ugly head. Instead of dealing with the it head on the police used the "Warm & Fuzzy" approach with their "we need to get to know them, if we respect them, they will respect us." Yeah right, see where that got us....If you think updating schools is going to solve the crime problem you are mistaken, crime is not a school fix, kids that get into gangs and crime don't hang around schools, except to recruit more gang members, they don't use libraries or aquatic centers either, but that is a whole different issue........

Once again good luck on your bond issues. Oh and just for the record HRL, I don't sit around wallowing in self-pity. I work, I pay my way and live my life to the fullest, thank you for asking and caring. What I do however is "question," as is my right as a citizen and tax payer. Thank you and good day. "

HRL wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:48 AM:

" If you get what you wish for, the town will be populated with uneducated criminal thugs which are becoming more and more the norm at this time. We can reverse the trend. but not without investment. The other option, in my opinion, is to invest that same money into security measures to protect yourself from the criminal element that is heading toward majority status.

Another place where you are mistaken is on the issue of the schools being NEW. Obviously your mind is so closed that you didn't pay any attention to the actual facts of the issue. This was not a bond for a new school of any kind. It was to refurbish and add on to the existing High School and Middle school to bring them up to code and to upgrade facilities in order to accommodate new technology. One new building was going to be built at the middle school to go with the other 6 buildings already there. A new wing was going to be added to the high school to go with the other 6 wings that already exist. I would think that you, of all people would be glad that the District is living by the motto of "Fix it up." Unfortunately, that can't be done without money. I am not rich, I do not have any jingle in my pocket. You probably make more money than I do. But, I don't call myself a "POOR, dumb, have not." I don't wallow in self-pitty. I look for ways to make life better. Try it some time. "

wrote on Dec 3, 2008 5:54 PM:

" Good luck to you all, I shall continue to vote NO, NO, NO. Sorry, but you're stuck in one gear, NEW SCHOOL, which I don't think is necessary. I believe the quality of WHAT is being taught is far more important than WHERE it's taught.

Exactly what does a new school bring to the table, other than being new? Does it get you better teachers, better ciriculum, better ANYTHING other than surroundings?

Keep up the good fight, sooner or later people will tire of being continually bombarded with the school ballot measure and it will pass. Then we shall see what new and improved excuses you will present when Ontario is still the empty little has been town that it has become. It's a sad situation too, 20 years ago this was a "kickin'" little town, but no more.

To HRL....."Since I am one of the evil ones with an education, I guess I will have no choice but to migrate with those of my own kind. Keep your doors locked wrote." Are you threatening me? I work, I pay my taxes, therefore I have as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else. No, I am not a college grad, but I can hold my head high and walk tall, as I have NEVER aceepted or used ANY type of public assistance, I pay my way, even if that means working more than one job and I shall continue to work and pay my way and voice my opinion. Simply because you are better educated and have some jingle in your pocket, doesn't make YOUR opinion any more valuable than MINE.... "

HRL wrote on Dec 3, 2008 6:59 AM:

" To wrote

You don't make any sense. If one can get more for their housing dollar across the river, why aren't you living there? And, at the same time, how can that be when the residents in all of those border towns in Idaho are paying off school bonds. "Ontario born" is right. Most of the jobs in this area are in ONTARIO. The people who work in those jobs, ESPECIALLY the high paying ones choose to live across the river and send thier tax dollars to a community that cares about their kids. All that leaves in Ontario are uneducated, small-minded, selfish, bitter, "I want to blame someone else for my problems" minimum wage earners who can't see the forest for the trees. But apparently wrote likes living in a ghetto and so he is trying very hard to make sure that Ontario experiences further decline. Since I am one of the evil ones with an education, I guess I will have no choice but to migrate with those of my own kind. Keep your doors locked wrote. "

Use Common Sense. wrote on Dec 3, 2008 6:28 AM:

" You can't see why you are a dumb, poor, have not? Not supporting schools is death to a community. Don't give me this b.s. you can't afford it. Tell me how much your home is appraised at and I will figure out how much it will cost you. It is a sacrifice for everyone, including the 2,500 people who voted yes. Those people know what community pride and responsibility is all about "

Ontario Born wrote on Dec 3, 2008 5:49 AM:

" I would argue that you can not not afford our "wish" list. If you think for one second that "good solid industries, and/or stores with jobs that pay "real" wages that people can actually live on" will come to this community when our schools are in shambles then you just don't get it. The types of business that you are "wishing" for don't come places where their work force won't be happy. You have to give them a reason to want to build here, and even if you don't want to admitt it, nice, new schools is a powerful draw to new industry.

People who have some of the nicest houses in Ontario don't always choose to live across the river simply because they can get more for their money. This may be true in some cases, but you can still not convince me that someone who has a great house here in Ontario moves to Fruitland for a bigger house. They are moving for the schools.

The only thing that frustrates me about dealing with people like you is that I know you are right. There are people who can't afford this right now. This is and will always be a difficult thing. I simply cannot sit by and let the needs of the few who are in your specific situation outway the needs of this community as a whole. Weither you are in a position to pay for it or not, our schools need to be upgraded period... and that is only going to cost more the longer we wait. This will pass in time. You are the only one who has taken the time to get on here and voice a negative opinion about this. Which I commend you for. At least you care enough to voice your concerns where we can all see them.

I guess we will just have to see how this all turns out the next time around. "

wrote on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM:

" People choose to NOT live in Ontario because they can get MORE for their housing dollar accross the river. That should not be to difficult for anyone to figure out.

Accross the river is a mere 5 miles, we're not talking a 50 mile commute like living in Boise and driving to Ontario to work or visa versa. That is the price one pays for being a border town.

I'll say it again, "New fancy schools" will not make Ontario some magical perfect place to live instead of the dying town it has become, it will only make Ontario a dying town with a new school.

Once again, try another bullying tactic, I don't buy the one your using. Get some good solid industries, and/or stores with jobs that pay "real" wages that people can actually live on, THEN talk school upgrades.

Sorry, I know that "POOR" dumb have nots like me, barely making it now, who can't afford ANY MORE FEES/TAXES/SURCHARGES and still be able to make ends meet, must be very frustrating for you to deal with. No, to any more taxes, enough, is enough, is enough. I don't know how to make it any plainer than that. I simply can't afford your wish list. "

To Wrote. wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:55 PM:

" If the people who live in Ontario will not invest in their community, why would anyone else? You know, like businesses that might employ people around here and raise our pathetic standard of living. "

Ontario Born wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:08 PM:

" I suppose that you think that all the wonderful doctors and dentists who have moved across the river did so because they wanted to live and work in Idaho. Oh wait, thats right, they moved to the place with the nicer, newer school facilities. And kept their jobs in ONTARIO.

Don't cry to me about jobs. Are you serious, take a look around, there are loads of people working in this town, its just that none of them want to live here....... they are choosing to take their money and their families somewhere else to live.

This is not a scare tactic, this is common sense. We have a hospital in this town for god sake. How many of those surgeons and their families live here in Ontario? How many of the teachers and other school district employees live in Ontario? How about all those great folks working for the state out at the prison, or those working at the college. You cannot convince me that there is a shortage of jobs in the area.... what we are short on, is the people who hold those jobs actually living in and supporting this community thus promoting further growth and development of the additional jobs you complain about. If you want those people to even consider living in Ontario, you have to give them schools that at least attempt to compete with our neighboring communities.

The failure to recognize this truth is a death sentence for this community. Something needs to be done to help turn things around, and our schools are a great place to start. "

wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:41 PM:

" Ontario Born......BEFORE anyone will move to Ontario, there has to be JOBS available that pay a lving wage, schools are secondary.......People don't drive through town and say, oh look dear, a new school, lets move here...They come to Ontario or stay in Ontario because of employment. If the jobs aren't here, they will leave whether there is a new fancy school or not.

I get really tired of hearing people "blame" the fact that no one wants to move to Ontario because the school is old, balderdash. If the jobs were here, they would come. Try a different "bullying" tactic, this one isn't working. "

Ontario Born and Raised wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:11 PM:

" Okay,

This issue has been going on for a while, and will continue for as long as you people stay so closed minded. I tip my hat to those of you who have responded so overwhelmingly in support of our children.... which I say specifically, because you are not supporting our schools, you are supporting our kids and our future. The schools already get enough money to pay their salaries and try their best to do their job.

It has been said before by countless folks on these types of blogs...... supporting this bond, when it is possed again, is supporting our community as a whole. It has nothing to do with your feelings for the current administration of Ontario School District. It has everything to do with where this town is headed.

It is amazing to me that with a local hospital, a community college, and a prision, along with the countless other businesses that this town supports that we don't have more people moving into the area...... it begs the question why.... why would our schools not be growing with all these new and expanding employment opportunities.....I'll tell you why..... NO one wants to live here in Ontario!!!! Why not.... those schools are prehistoric!!! If I have to choose between brand new facilities in Fruitland and a middle school that is over 100 years old, and I have no ties to this community, which one do you think "educated" people are going to choose? Its a total no brainer people. The center of any community, specifically for its younger families, is its schools. It is only after the schools are adequate that everything else can begin to fall in place. There are people who were born and raised right here in Ontario, who work and own businesses in Ontario, and they choose to live somewhere else. Wake up people!!! See the writing on the wall before things get any worse around here.

I voted yes last time, and I will do the same every time this thing comes up again. I can think of no better way to help this community turn itself around. And when it does, all this crying you are doing about how much this will cost won't matter any more because their will be more people helping pay for it.

VOTE YES!!!!!! "

To Wrote wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:44 AM:

" Looks like wrote is a little nervous that should this bond be placed back on the ballot next time around it will pass.....it's coming, and it's going to pass.

these "educated" people are doing the right thing, and are going to educate you on how to go about improving ontario --- you should look into it. YES YES YES "

Also A Long Time Ontario Resident wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:30 PM:

" They will always have an excuse to not pass the bond. Always! "

Long Time Ontario Resident wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:44 PM:

" This bond will go for 20 years. How many recessions will we have between now and then? Several. You people who think you are saving money by voting no need to think twice. At some point a bond is going to pass, and with construction costs outpacing inflation it is going to cost you a lot more down the road. Not to mention the loss of jobs and money from people choosing to live in Idaho between now and when a bond finally passes.

For most, your biggest asset is your home. How much do you think your house is worth if no one wants to buy it? If people who live in Ontario don't want to invest in it, why would you think anyone else would?

Most economists predict this recession will last 18 months. People won't even make their first payment on this bond for one year from now. By the time your second property tax payment is due, this crisis will be over. It is a sacrifice, but there is plenty of time to plan and save.

Also , 20 million dollars will be immediately injected into our economy, helping businesses survive and creating an infrastructure for growth and prospericty in the future. Think return on investment. This is a sure thing!

This is such a minimal request. Nyssa and Adrian both recently passed bonds twice this size The Task Force has requested only funds to make our schools minimally adequate. We have an obligation to leave this place at least as good as we found it. I understand it is a sacrifice, but there is no excuse to not support this bond. Sorry. "

Hello wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Your saying no does not solve the problem. When you tell you child that no he cannot eat, does that satisfy his hunger or keep him alive. He still is going to need to eat eventually. Even if you are wanting to keep all of the food for yourself. Obviously this analogy doesn't apply totally to you since you bragged about being uneducated, so you are obviously not hoarding all of the education for yourself. Oh, and by the way 2,468 people voted YES so maybe 39 of those 74 may have changed their mind. "

wrote on Nov 23, 2008 12:09 PM:

" *****“There’s 2,500 people out there somewhere who voted no, and we need to hear back from them.”****

Don't these "Educated" people understand the meaning of the word NOOOOOO, how many times do the people of Ontario have to say it before it sinks in?......People are losing their jobs, they're having trouble paying their bills, putting gas in their vehicles, food on their tables and you want MORE, MORE, MORE money...Do you have a printing press in your garage?.......

The dust has barely settled and you're already planning NEXT TIME, doesn't say much for your intelligence....NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, people have had enough and are fed up...GIVE IT A REST..... "


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